"It sounds worse than it is," he admitted as he caught up a little.

"We started rocky since apparently, Howard... well, let's say things didn't go well between him and his son and me being one of Howard's 'friends' from back when--"

He shook his head.

"But now, it's mostly nonsense. He still doesn't get the idea that sometimes, you just gotta slog through the mud, but I figure, he'll get that now that he's takin' lead on things back in New York."